HARTFORD, Conn. — A New Jersey blogger facing charges in two states for allegedly making threats against lawmakers and judges was trained by the FBI on how to be deliberately provocative, his attorney said Tuesday.
Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.
"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.
Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.
"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.
Special Agent Ross Rice, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he would not comment on or even confirm Turner's relationship with the FBI.
Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.
In June, Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation — later withdrawn — that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.
He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.
Orozco officially joined Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case on Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.
Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases. continues here
It makes you think doesn’t it, here we have a man who presented as “rightwing”, who, shall we say, suggested certain behaviours and who worked for a law-enforcement agency, here at home I am fairly sure ,that there are individuals that also work in similar fashion, of course here “Turnerism” will be somewhat toned down, given our draconian anti-free-speech laws. The cleverest thing the state is able to do, is to create paranoia, lack of trust within the structure of a movement, thereby inhibiting its growth, yet there is of course a real counter to such operations, quite simply present and act correctly at all times.
One must not adhere strictly to the letter of the law, after all at times the law is an ass and in many cases wrong, quite simply one must act within societal norms, those defined by all the traits already found within nationalism and indeed many people, honesty, courage and fairness. Certainly at times we must defend ourselves, we have no other recourse, take for instance the current in vogue predisposition of non-whites to attack whites, of note recently, members of the Muslim community, certainly in such a scenario we have the absolute right to defend ourselves.
Yet we must resist the urge to become as the animal, become the bully the tyrant and indeed the fool, “Turnerism” stokes up such notions, aiding only the dark state and the agenda, white nationalism is as noble as any other cause for freedom, we wish to live in peace amongst our own within our traditional culture, at one with mother nature and other races, there is no more nobler an ambition, no greater cause, do not let “Turnerism” and state agents sway you.
Hal Turner worked for the FBI from 2002 to 2007 as an "agent provocateur" and was taught by the agency "what he could say that wouldn't be crossing the line," defense attorney Michael Orozco said.
"His job was basically to publish information which would cause other parties to act in a manner which would lead to their arrest," Orozco said.
Prosecutors have acknowledged that Turner was an informant who spied on radical right-wing organizations, but the defense has said Turner was not working for the FBI when he allegedly made threats against Connecticut legislators and wrote that three federal judges in Illinois deserved to die.
"But if you compare anything that he did say when he was operating, there was no difference. No difference whatsoever," Orozco said.
Special Agent Ross Rice, a spokesman for the FBI in Chicago, said he would not comment on or even confirm Turner's relationship with the FBI.
Orozco spoke to reporters after a court hearing in Hartford on Tuesday. Turner, 47, of North Bergen, N.J., did not appear, because he is in federal custody in Illinois. His arraignment on the Connecticut charges was rescheduled to Oct. 19.
In June, Turner urged his readers to "take up arms" against Connecticut lawmakers and suggested government officials should "obey the Constitution or die," because he was angry over legislation — later withdrawn — that would have given lay members of Roman Catholic churches more control over their parish's finances.
He wrote in Internet postings the same month that the Illinois federal appeals judges "deserve to be killed" because they issued a ruling that upheld ordinances in Chicago and suburban Oak Park banning handguns. He included their photos and the room numbers of their chambers at the courthouse.
Orozco officially joined Turner's defense team in the Connecticut case on Tuesday, with approval from Superior Court Judge David Gold. Orozco said his Newark, N.J.-based firm has been representing Turner for the past five years, including during his FBI informant years.
Turner's Connecticut attorney, Matthew R. Potter, said it's too early to tell which trial will move forward first. Orozco said he plans First Amendment defenses in both cases. continues here
It makes you think doesn’t it, here we have a man who presented as “rightwing”, who, shall we say, suggested certain behaviours and who worked for a law-enforcement agency, here at home I am fairly sure ,that there are individuals that also work in similar fashion, of course here “Turnerism” will be somewhat toned down, given our draconian anti-free-speech laws. The cleverest thing the state is able to do, is to create paranoia, lack of trust within the structure of a movement, thereby inhibiting its growth, yet there is of course a real counter to such operations, quite simply present and act correctly at all times.
One must not adhere strictly to the letter of the law, after all at times the law is an ass and in many cases wrong, quite simply one must act within societal norms, those defined by all the traits already found within nationalism and indeed many people, honesty, courage and fairness. Certainly at times we must defend ourselves, we have no other recourse, take for instance the current in vogue predisposition of non-whites to attack whites, of note recently, members of the Muslim community, certainly in such a scenario we have the absolute right to defend ourselves.
Yet we must resist the urge to become as the animal, become the bully the tyrant and indeed the fool, “Turnerism” stokes up such notions, aiding only the dark state and the agenda, white nationalism is as noble as any other cause for freedom, we wish to live in peace amongst our own within our traditional culture, at one with mother nature and other races, there is no more nobler an ambition, no greater cause, do not let “Turnerism” and state agents sway you.
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